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Carp hunters cause a stink along Clear Lake's outlet
CLEAR LAKE — The unusually high rainfall this spring and summer has caused a fishy situation for some Clear Lake residents.

Clear Creek, which is an outlet of Clear Lake that flows into the Winnebago River, runs along Twelfth Avenue South and is experiencing increased overflow along with high numbers of carp and other.

While fishing in the outlet isn’t anything new, some residents living along Clear Creek are having problems with the repugnant smell of dead fish being left on the banks by fishermen using bows and arrows and spears.

“You can hardly walk around there because of the smell,” said Tammy Boes-hart, who has lived along Clear Creek for 27 years. “It’s not the kids that go in with their little fishing poles to have fun, it’s the ones who are there with their bows and take the sport out of fishing.”

A pair of 12-year-olds, Kristian Cordes and Gabe Craighton, both of Clear Lake, have fished out of Clear Creek with fishing poles on a daily basis this summer. They, like Boeshart, are growing tired of the dead fish and other litter being left on the banks by other fishermen.

“They’re just taking advantage of the fish,” Cordes said. “It’s good fishing right now because of all the rain, but this is a little creek and they just come here and take the sport out of fishing.”

Both youngsters said  they’ve seen fishermen taking fish out of Clear Creek with bows, spears, nets and in some cases even with their bare hands. However, instead of taking the fish home with them, the fish carcasses are left on the banks of the creek to rot.

Scott Grummer, a fisheries biologist with the Iowa Department of Natural Resources, said spear and bow fishing in Iowa is legal, but harvesting fish with nets is against state law.

Grummer said the issue has received special attention from the DNR this summer and is one that has reoccurred during seasons of high water flow.

“The way we are approaching it is that we’re just trying to educate the kids,” Grummer said. “DNR staff is taking extra time to go out there and talk to them and make sure that they understand the regulations.”

The only regulation being broken, Grummer said, is by the fishermen who are leaving their fish on the banks of Clear Creek. This practice is essentially the same as littering.

“They’re definitely in violation of littering but some of the young fishermen are just not in the know and don’t realize that they need to utilize what they’re harvesting,” Grummer said.  “We try not to come down with a heavy hand because that’s not going to help with a 10-year old. We’re just trying to educate them.”

In all of the times Cordes and Craighton have fished out of Clear Creek, they have rarely seen the fishermen who use bows or spears take their fish home.

Even though the DNR is taking extra time to help educate those who fish out of Clear Creek, some feel more needs to be done in the form of special depositories and daily patrols.

“Whoever is responsible for monitoring that area needs to check every single day,” said Donna Miller, who has lived along Clear Creek for nearly 40 years.

“Do you know how bad, and how long, a dead fish smells for?

“That’s what we’re up against here.”


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50423 wrote on Jul 27, 2008 6:49 PM:

" comon---this is one fish you don't want to relocate.If these people can't dispose of them properly, they have no business killing them in the first place.Maybe they can find out who is leaving them on shore and dump them in their yard! "

janedoe wrote on Jul 27, 2008 6:19 PM:

" I understand if they are spearing carp out of the lake that DNR/ State rules apply. But I'm questioning who regulates the creek that's in city limits. Also who has the say so regarding property abutting the creek. The DNR/State? I'll need to make a phone call to get that answer. Not fretting about it. Just curious and want to know facts before passing any judgement on anyone. "

Registration Required wrote on Jul 27, 2008 5:59 PM:

" I highly doubt that Clear Lake Law, though regarded highly by people from Clear Lake, trumps the DNR State Law when it comes to bow hunting fish. You go to the DNR to get a hunting license, NOT the Clear Lake City Council. DNR state law also says you cannot return a rough fish (carp and the like) back to the water. Granted, they should have a spot for them, but back in the water is against the law as well. "

janedoe wrote on Jul 27, 2008 4:44 PM:

" hmmmmm....RR, you may want to read the code(s) again. It includes bows. #3 in 41.08 and 41.09. Both state a permit is needed to shoot a bow. 41.09 also states where shooting is NOT allowed in city limits. Also the shooter must not be disturbing the neighbors peaceful use and enjoyment.
I'd say "dead smelly carp" would be disturbing....
And the creek is a public waterway.
Codes should be written to be comprehended easily and only one way. It appears these 2 codes are. If I were a neighbor I would bring this issue before the city council. People should not be allowed to leave dead fish anywhere within city limits unless it's their trash can. And ordinances should be enforced upon accordingly. "

Registration Required wrote on Jul 27, 2008 2:44 PM:

" Hmmm... I didn't think a bow and arrow or a spear were classified as firearms. Silly me. "

janedoe wrote on Jul 26, 2008 8:46 PM:

" rscott, you brought up an interesting thought. Not sure if this following Clear Lake ordinance pertains to shooting carp. But it seems to me that it might. I'm not against good adult shooter's shooting carp and taking them with them. But leaving dead ones and people just wounding or leaving them behind is not good nor right.

41.08 DISCHARGING WEAPONS.
1. It is unlawful for a person to discharge rifles, shotguns, revolvers, pistols, guns or other firearms of any kind within the City limits except by written consent of the Council.

2. No person shall intentionally discharge a firearm in a reckless manner.

3. The Council may issue a permit to the owners or tenants of property within the City allowing them and guests, with written permission from the permit holder on a form furnished by the City Police Department, to hunt game birds and animals, including migratory waterfowl, as defined and permitted by State and Federal statutes, on the property of such owners or tenants and may also issue a permit for target ranges to such persons for property within the City. Permitted weapons shall be limited to shotguns shooting shot shells only and conventional long bows and compound bows. Any permit shall be issued on property specifically described on the application for same, which application shall be made on the form provided by the Police Chief, and the application shall be approved by the Police Chief before it is submitted to the Council for its approval and the issuance of a permit. Permits shall be issued only on premises which are safe for such activity and where such activity will not interfere with the peaceful use and enjoyment of adjacent property. The permits shall be issued for two (2) years and cover only the property described in the application and permit, and may be revoked by the Council for any reason by giving a thirty-day written notice of such revocation by certified mail to the permit holder at the address shown on the application. The permits shall not be assignable.

41.09 THROWING AND SHOOTING.
It is unlawful for a person to throw stones, bricks or missiles of any kind or to shoot arrows, rubber guns, slingshots, air rifles, BB guns or other dangerous instruments or toys on or into any street, alley, highway, sidewalk, public way, public ground or public building, without written consent of the Council.

(Code of Iowa, Sec. 364.12 [2]) "

rusty shackelford wrote on Jul 26, 2008 8:35 PM:

" This is the perfect solution to the carp problem. The city needs to put a bounty on the carp then place a dumpster at Dome Bait & Tackle. Anyone can bring in a carp to Dome and receive .50 cent per carp. Then throw the carp in the dumpster. Then haul the dumpster away everyday. People pick up cans for a nickel they should be able to pick up a carp laying on the shore for fifty cents. Even kids could make money by catching carp. "

xander wrote on Jul 26, 2008 10:03 AM:

" Use any legal means to get rid of these rough fish, but take them with you and bury them in your garden or have them smoked. Great fertilizer and great food when done right. "

rscott wrote on Jul 26, 2008 8:06 AM:

" isnt target shooting your bow inside city limits illegal?? and if it is(which i think it is)why is bow fishing legal inside city limits???????????? "

hobie wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:45 PM:

" To bigdogs45. As a matter of fact we did take some carp from some youngsters who were using home made spears. We also explained to them they should not be spearing the muskie or walleyes, which they were doing.
I have personally taken over 400 lbs of carp out of clear creek in a single after noon. Most people, once educated, know that carp are very harmful to fresh water fisheries. Not going to get into all the specifics here but type in "impact of the common carp" in google you will be able to read about the damage these fish do. Which most of the people that stopped and talk to us already know this and thank us for helping clean up their lake.
As far as what we do with the carp. Some gets smoked. Some gets given away to people that use them in their turtle traps. Some gets used for fertilizer.
Can not speak of people putting arrows in rabbits or anything other than fish. If you see this activity call the sheriff or DNR. Otherwise if you see a bowfisherman stop and say hi. I have let numerous people try my bow and they are usually instantly hooked. Do not let a few bad apples spoil this for everyone. I am usually driving a white ford f-150 with a white topper. If anyone sees it parked along clear creek feel free to stop and check us out. "

comon wrote on Jul 25, 2008 7:25 PM:

" Shouldn't the DNR tranquilize these carp and relocate them? "

12-12-43 wrote on Jul 25, 2008 7:11 PM:

" Whats this?, discontentment with our beloved DNR. I can,t believe it!it seems to be the case that the more authority the dnr gets, the more discontentment there seems to be,hmmm! "

bigdogs45 wrote on Jul 25, 2008 7:02 PM:

" To Hobie,
What did you do with the fish? Did you not see any of the carp laying around? If you did then you shouldn't be fishing as you are blind. Can you explain the a neighbor that had a dead rabbit in their yard with an arrow in it? I'm not saying it was you, but it didn't get there by itself. Face it, it has been happening all summer. And if you did see any dead fish left from unresponsible kids, did you pick them up to dispose of them? "

Hobie wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:03 PM:

" I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I watched the video. The young man on the left in the video has actually helped me while bowfishing. If we lost and arrow he would help us find it. Helped to land and spot fish. He never seemed squeemish in person or thought it was cruel at that time. Great reporting. Next time you are in the area and spot a bowfisherman stop and get his opinion so we can see both sides. "

Hobie wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:50 PM:

" I personally bowfished that stretch of creek this summer. Never left a single fish on the bank nor did any of the other fishermen in my group. Actually had a couple of people that lived along the creek stop and thank us for getting rid of the carp in the creek.
As far as not being sporting I encourage those who feel that way to try it. Very difficult in that area because of fast moving water. Not to mention you still have to land a 20 to 30 pound fish that you are attatched to, by hand. Very sporting and fun in my opinion.
A couple of people have ruined a good thing for the numerous people I have seen bowfishing that area responsibly. No different than the moron that shoots road signs. Gives all hunters a bad name. "

letsfishnow wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:44 AM:

" I agree with the statement pointing out it is likely adults and not kids at fault. Whoever it is leqving dead fish to rot on the banks, wise up and do the right thing with your catch. Otherwise stay the _ _ _ _ away from Clear Lake or any other fishing hole in Iowa. You don't deserve to fish in any form.... "

bigdogs45 wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:21 AM:

" Donna also has a very good letter to the editor. Please read it. "

JB Johnson of Britt wrote on Jul 25, 2008 9:00 AM:

" where was that story about how the DNR is buying up land so the public can have access to the lake. These clowns are a prime example of the "bad" guest that the people who put in public docks in have to deal with. "

dlwr wrote on Jul 25, 2008 8:57 AM:

" Awesome video! "

janedoe wrote on Jul 25, 2008 8:54 AM:

" If I lived in that area I would be picking up the dead fish that are left. Rather than leaving them to rot and havE to live with the smell.
KUDOS to the neighborhood boys. In the video they sound like good stewards of land and wildlife. Good luck fishing guys. "

tc scooter wrote on Jul 25, 2008 7:59 AM:

" Unless I am misunderstanding something it seems to me the DNR should be educating the adults who are leaving the fish, instead of the kids who are having their summer fun ruined by dead and rotting fish. "

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